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I don't find myself much in agreement with Southern Baptist Al Mohler, but… Rabbi Shmuley Boteach (most famous as a spiritual director of sorts to Michael Jackson) has responded on the Huffington Post to a tweet by Mohler. Mohler's offense? Offering Jesus to Anthony Weiner. 

Mohler tweeted "Dear Congressman Weiner: There is no effective 'treatment' for sin. Only atonement, found only in Jesus Christ."

To which Rabbi Boteach responded:  "I hear you, Rev. Mohler. But I seem to recall many sexual scandals involving evangelical ministers that would seem to undermine the premise that salvation through Jesus Christ grants immunity to sexual sin."

Say what now? 

Does the Rabbi really mean to suggest that Mohler was offering an "immunity to sexual sin"??

He goes on to take Mohler to task for "proselytizing" via tweet and to lay out an interesting theory of redemption, namely- atonement and redemption are a product of what we do, and are impacted not in the least by our "faith."

Respectfully…

Proselytize? Please- a shout out on twitter hardly counts as that- amidst all the cat calls, condemnation and kerfuffle, and it's Mohler, trying to speak what he sees as the bottom line for the man's soul that gets everyone's knickers in a twist? (Read the comments that follow the article- knicker are truly twisted good. Lots and lots of atheist and agnostic wedgies, in fact.)

Maybe it's the fact that Weiner is Jewish and Mohler a Christian? That's an interesting form of reverse religious bigotry… to say that a Christian can't recommend the only lifeline he knows and trusts to anyone who's *not* already of the same faith. This has truly become the post-modern unforgiveable sin: To offer what you believe is true to someone who doesn't already agree with you.

To the Rabbi's points, though-

1. He says: "I seem to recall many sexual scandals involving evangelical ministers that would seem to undermine the premise that salvation through Jesus Christ grants immunity to sexual sin." A complete straw man- who ever said faith in Jesus brings immunity to sexual sin??? Not me. In 40+ years  of Christianity, Bible College, and Seminary I've never heard a *single* suggestion that it would. Forgiveness and moral/ethical maturity are separate (though related) matters. David's Judaism didn't save him from temptation and sin with Bathsheeba, and no one's faith in Jesus gives anyone a free pass from temptation.

2. More to the point- Mohler wasn't suggesting a way Weiner could gain immunity- rather, a path to redemption, and relationship with God. *It's okay if you disagree with Mohler's idea about that path*- please just understand what he was and wasn't saying- disagree, but at least show you are disagreeing with what he said and not your misunderstanding of it.

3. You are free to believe that "Redemption comes about not through anything we believe but how we behave" and "Redemption is never a function of belief and always a function of deed. " but this is NOT the core message of the faith that Mohler and I  happen to share- and quoting Jesus in that context doesn't mean He believed it either. Jesus' point is that you know the kind of "tree" you are dealing with by the results of its life- in other words, an apple tree produces apples BECAUSE it is an apple tree, not the other way around. A tree does not BECOME an orange tree or an apple tree by producing either oranges or apples. Jesus is in that passage giving a test by which you can know the reality of someone's relationship with God, not a means by which one can come into that relationship (ie thru good works/"fruit"). 

4. The idea that our redemption and entrance into relationship with God is based not on what we do but on what Jesus did is the core essence of the Good News of Christianity- and good news it is. If my redemption were based on how well I toed the moral line, if my good works outweighed my bad- I'd be in a world of hurt, and so, I suspect, would most of those reading this.

5. I appreciate Rabbi Boteach quoting Jesus- but I think the conversation in John 6 would be more relevant on the issue of what God is really looking for from us: "They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?”

Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” (speaking of Himself)

6. The idea of belief bringing redemption isn't a Christian one though- I'm surprised to hear the Rabbi talk as he has here. It makes me wonder about the last time he read Genesis 15:6: "And Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD counted him as righteous because of his faith."

 

Does it really matter what we believe about God- don't all conceptions of God just point us towards the same unknowable Somebody? Can't we just say all statements about God are equally valid??

 

"If your conception of God is radically false, then the more devout you are, the worse it will be for you. You are opening your soul to be molded by something else. You had much better be an atheist."

-William Temple

If there’s any issue at all that pastors must wrestle with, beyond how the Gospel applies to their own lives and ministry, it’s the issue of rest and Sabbath.

Wait- Scratch that. Those are actually the same issue. 

More about that in a second, but first the question: Why is Sabbath so hard for us? 

There was a time a few years back when, while still working at a church, I was in a support staff role doing media design. It also happened to be the first year of my marriage, and as far as first-year-of-marriage jobs go, I couldn‚Äôt have asked for a better one. I came in the morning, did my work, went home and didn‚Äôt think about it again until the next day. The computers I worked on were there at the church office, I couldn‚Äôt take work home with me, and I was very, very okay with that. When I was off, I was off. 

Fast forward a couple of years and we‚Äôve planted a church. Suddenly, that‚Äôs all I can think about. Early morning, late night- I‚Äôm working on the website, writing posts on our forum, answering emails. Always on. 

What was the difference? I was working at a church during both periods, both were ‚Äúministry‚Äù… 

Yes, both were ministry. But the difference is one was a job, and the other? 

My identity.

For many of us, ministry is viewed as a calling, and we purposefully push back against the idea of ministry as a job or a profession. Usually that thinking is helpful. But maybe the unintended side-effect has been that the natural boundaries that often come with a job simply aren’t present or present enough in our ministries, often to our own detriment and worse, the detriment of our families.

Like I said, for the last few years of church planting and pastoring, I‚Äôve been ‚Äúalways on,‚Äù answering the phone when it rang, working on sermons on my weekends, packing my schedule with ministry meetings and events, and just generally being a pastor all the time. Through it all, I‚Äôve watched with a bit of envy as friends I have go to work and come home; as they turn it off and enjoy their nights and weekends without always thinking about work. 

And as I‚Äôve gotten more tired, less effective and increasingly frustrated with my decreasing ability to be present when and where I really need to be, I‚Äôve realized that the issue isn‚Äôt so much time-management or getting more productive (though those help) but rather a shift in thinking and belief. 

I needed two things. 

First, as always, I need more fully to embrace the Gospel at a personal and heart level. My failure at turning off ministry and truly resting as part of my weekly rhythms reveals within me a basic disbelief of the Gospel truth that Jesus is enough and that my identity can and should be rooted in His finished work for me, not the results I get, the church I pastor and how well (or not) it‚Äôs doing, or whether I think people are approving or disapproving of me based on the amount of access I give them to myself and my time.  

The only way we pastors will ever find sustainability and longevity in ministry is if we do what we tell other people to do ALL THE TIME: Rest our souls in the finished work of Christ. Stop getting our identity from our job/ministry. Take some time to unplug, unwind and more importantly, connect with God, our families and our own souls again.

Secondly, along with leaning more and more deeply on Jesus, and understanding that my value and worth are derived from what He did, not what I do, I find the most helpful thing I can do is to regain a sense of where the job pieces of ministry start and stop. My calling is to be a full-time follower of Jesus and to serve Him with the gifts He‚Äôs given me without reservation. Right now, my profession is serving as a pastor to my community. And whereas I once saw those two things as being virtually identical and overlapping, I can now see that they aren‚Äôt. 

There are things like kindness and mercy, patience and justice, how I relate to God and relate to others, basically Christlikeness, that I need to pursue hard 24-7. But there are other pieces of what I do that are still ministry, but need to fall into the category of 9-5. And I don’t mean just the admin stuff. Writing my sermon on my day off? Answering the phone during dinner? Doing the emergency counseling session? Sure- there will be times when I need to bend a little. But I’m beginning to see that for the sake of my family, I need to recategorize much of my ministry activity. I need, like those friends of mine with their 9-5 jobs, to be able to say with equal conviction, “Now I’m at work and it’s time to get after it” AND “Now I’m off- I’m going to let that sit until Monday morning when I can give it my full attention. Right now, I’m not working, and my family needs me.”

Essential to truly resting from our work is being able, in a sense, to put that work on the shelf for a day or two, step away from it, and let go. 

Brothers and sisters, (with apologies and all due respect to John Piper) we kinda sorta are professionals. And truly finding rest and Sabbath will depend both on how you look at Jesus AND how you look at your job. Know when you are at work and on the clock and give the communities you serve the full benefit or your attention and efforts. Know when you are not at work, and when you are off, be off. And know and remember most of all where true rest is found. 

The Gospel for Portland

bob —  January 15, 2010

I helped edit and am contributing an essay to a book which will come out this Spring from Ecclesia Press (part of the Ecclesia Network) called Viral Hope. The book is written by authors from all over, each expressing their take on the Gospel for their city. 

Here's mine- the Gospel For Portland. 


2418627255_05780d0815 I love the city of Portland. 

It would be impossible for me to estimate how many times I‚Äôve said that sentence over the last decade and a half of living in the Rose City. 

There‚Äôs so much to recommend it, but I honestly think one of the things I love so much are the people. At times a bit eccentric, but almost always kind and polite, they are concerned about each other and the world. If you believe in community, in caring for the environment, in taking care of others, especially those on the margins, then Portland is for you. 

And interestingly enough, those are also very same reasons I love Jesus. 

As I read the Gospel accounts of His life, and as I see the nascent church movement He left behind, I see exactly those things- a deep love for community, a care for the oppressed, the marginalized and the poor and not only a desire, but a commitment to put back together in our world that which has been ruined and spoiled. 

‚ÄúLook, I am making all things new,‚Äù says Jesus. 

The man whom the religious leaders of His day despised, in part because of the company He kept and in part because He threatened their power structures came bringing what He called “Good News.”

And that was this: God has not forgotten us. He’s on the move. Though it’s hard to see, especially in the midst of tragedy and pain, God is busy. Bringing hope out of despair, bringing redemption and forgiveness, bringing life

The story of redemption that God is writing in history is hard to see because we live before the final conclusion, but we see the foreshadows of it all around us. We see it in the person of Jesus and His resurrection which showed- this man who dared to speak truth to power and proclaim light in darkness was no fraud or crackpot. We see it in those who follow Jesus and how with their love for each other, their love and care for the poor, their care for creation and generous, sacrificial responses to tragedy  they point to a future reality that‚Äôs both amazingly different and incomprehensibly better than our present. 

Yes, those followers of Jesus often fail to live up to and adequately picture all that Jesus taught and is doing in the world. And when they do so, they are, however inadvertently, pointing to a common truth we all share as humans: none of us, no matter how well-meaning, ever live up to even our own ideals, or those of the people around us, much less what God has envisioned for humanity- and so we all need grace, we all need forgiveness. 

Which is another reason I‚Äôm so glad for Jesus. 

The Good News is that God, in Jesus, has turned back, is turning back and will someday completely turn back evil and death and completely restore all of creation. And through Jesus He‚Äôs offering us a redeemed community, in a renewed creation, in relationship with God Himself. 

That is great Good News, Portland.

‚ÄúThe Didache is the most important book you've never read,‚Äù starts Tony Jones, in his latest book, The Teaching of the Twelve: Believing & Practicing the Primitive Christianity of the Ancient Didache Community.

And while Tony's examination of this ancient Christian manuscript is engaging and thoughtful, I just don't know if I'd go quite that far. I enjoyed reading this book- well-written, I think well-researched… but the main premise is something I find myself wanting to push back against somewhat.

The Didache, according to The Teaching of the Twelve, records "a primitive Christianity" of about the same era in which the synoptic Gospels were composed, and seemingly unfamiliar with the theology of the Apostle Paul. 

And in that, it's a helpful look at some of the rhythms of the early church. The question, of course, is what can/does that early Christianity mean for us today?

Tony attempts to answer that question as he examines the Didache, by also looking at a small, modern community of Christians who call themselves the Cymbrogi- a house church of sorts which includes Trucker Frank, a friend we've gotten to know from some of Tony's other works. 

The Cymbrogi take from the Didache a very praxis-oriented approach to their walk with Jesus. They are in search of that primitive Christianity that "emphasizes how you live."

Tony writes, "The Didache's vision of communal life in Christ is powerful and potentially transformative. For the Cymbrogi, the Didache's primitive rhythms of faith have changed them personally. Each one of them I've spoken to has professed that the raw, organic Christianity that they find in the Didache and now attempt to practice is exactly what they've been looking for all along." Tony continues, "The Didache offers something of an alternative to what many know of Christianity. The real power of the Didache is its ability to remind us of what is truly important in Christianity: showing the love of Jesus to the world."

Okay… Here's where I start to wonder. 


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Dust Up at UR over Virtual Chruch!

bob —  October 28, 2009

Sim-church Last week, Doug Estes, the writer of a new book called Sim Church posted on Out of Ur what was essentially a response to my thoughts in previous Ur articles regarding the idea of Virtual Church. He wanted to avoid responding to me by name, but there were too many pointed comments to avoid the conclusion. 

You can check in out here: "In Defense of Virtual Church."

I wrote and sent a response that was pretty quickly made superfluous by the (now) 87 (and counting!) comments on the original post. 

I reproduce some of it here. I hope you'll read it (and the original article that inspired it) and come back here to answer this question: What do you think of this debate? 

It's my contention it's an important one to have (in fact, I think I need to write a post on why!)- but I'd like to know what you all think. 

Here's my response to Mr. Estes:


October 27, 2009

Virtual Church is STILL a Bad Idea

Online churches are missing a few essential ingredients.

**Editor's Note: I apologize for the lack of posts in recent days. We've been experiencing some technical difficulties. -Url Scaramanga**

I was disappointed to read Douglas Estes’ piece last week on Ur, for a number of reasons, but chief among them is this: it fails to deal substantively with a single serious critique that has been raised regarding virtual church. In fact, Mr. Estes not only fails to address the critique, but he seems to fail even to understand it.

So in a spirit of Christian love and good dialogue, let me respond point by point!

First, Mr. Estes asserts that critique of virtual church can be boiled down to “Internet campuses and online churches are not true churches because they don’t look like and feel like churches are expected to look like and feel like (in the West, anyway).”

Respectfully, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, my concern about internet church is that it‚Äôs too much like what we expect (and want) church to look and feel like (at least in the West).

Video venues and internet church are the logical next step to the celebrity and consumer culture of America, and they represent a threat to both the overall maturity of the Body of Christ and our counter-cultural mandate. Celebrity elevation of pastors who have begun to franchise themselves and their “brand” around the nation should concern us for a number of reasons I’ve outlined elsewhere—they draw down people and resources from other church communities and they are unable to do mission-critical activities.

I’d say those are pretty substantial concerns.

Second, this article repeats what I see as the major scriptural argument in favor of virtual church‚Äî‚ÄúNowhere in the Bible does it preclude online church.‚Äù The argument from silence, as we all remember from high school debate class, is the weakest. And in this case, I believe the Bible isn‚Äôt silent. Let me ask very plainly…

READ THE REST AT OUT OF UR 

Some random thoughts swirling in my head as I clean the kitchen (my regular Saturday/Mindless Task rundown)…

Does Evergreen claim to have "all the answers"? 

QuestionMark No- not by a long shot. 
These thoughts are stirred maybe in part by my recent posts on Video Venues and such- I probably need to point out every once in awhile that we don't feel we have stumbled on the One True Model‚Ñ¢ for doing church. 
But mainly I'm thinking through various conversations, some facebook posts, some comments… just some things I feel like I want to say at this point. 

No- we don't have all the answers. And that means some things and it doesn't mean some other things. 

What does it mean?
It means we have a sense of epistemological humility (epistemology: a branch of philosophy that investigates the origin, nature, methods, and limits of human knowledge. humility: the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.). It means that even when we do make claims about truth, we are careful, humble and respectful as we do so, knowing that we are subjective humans who quite often misunderstand things. It means we do our best to make room for questions, for those who are doubting or unsure and to truly journey beside them as they ask. It means we show patience and love to those who aren't where we are at and do our best to continue to learn alongside them. It means we make room in every gathering for multiple voices to be heard alongside the one leading the discussion, for questions to be asked and even for people to disagree. I feel in that, we are somewhat rare…

What doesn't it mean?

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(My last post on reading the OT and NT together and what God might have been doing in some of those more "difficult" passages has sparked a good discussion- make sure to check it out. In the meantime, here's a post from 2 years ago on a similar theme. I had been thinking through Jesus in the OT, etc and had attended the "Spurgeon Fellowship" Western to hear a talk on preaching Jesus from every text. This post was the result…)

So, to backtrack just a bit…

I enjoyed the second half of the Spurgeon Fellowship quite a bit- it made me glad I went.

BottomleftThe two halves were each a talk… and when I say talk, I mean sermon, by Art Azurdia :) And apparently, word on the street is, even Art's classes aresermons. Which is fine, but there are times when you know you're being talked to and times when you know you are being preached at, and man, Art is a "preach at-er"… Which too is fine, just a bit unnerving when you are no longer used to or conditioned to expect that sort of thing.

The first half was my least favorite. It was basically a talk, err… sermon, on how Jesus should be preached from all of Scripture including the Old Testament. It was fine as far as it went, but I'm down with that idea already and wanted to hear more of the practicalities. I also have the feeling that most of the men (yep- just dudes… and all the prayers were for the "men of God" who were there, etc) there were already down with that idea as well, it being the Spurgeon Fellowship and all.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who got a bit frustrated with the rhetorical question approach that seemed to assume that none of us there had heard of this idea before and thought it kind of iffy… I just wanted to get down to business, but I had to wait for the second part of the talk for that.

 

The second half of the talk was basically a really well-done and helpful walk through Genesis 39, and how Joseph's story points us to Jesus- how to preach it in context as a chapter, related to the chapters around it and then in the context of the whole redemptive narrative of Scripture. I dug it because it was another piece in helping me see Jesus in all the Scripture…

TorahJesus in the Old Testament. This is something I, of course, got tastes of in Bible College and Seminary with typology, but it was presented more as a n interesting side note rather than the main theme of Scripture… and I've been thinking more and more about over the last two years, prompted mainly by the most excellent Tim Keller.

Honestly, I don't know why this isn't more of an emphasis in the emerging church.Seeing Jesus in and through all the Scriptures would seem to me to be a very emerging thing to do… as we renew our emphasis on the person of Jesus and what He actually did and said, how better to focus on the King of the Kingdom than to see Him  as He presented Himself to those disciples on the road to Emmaus- all through Moses and the Prophets?

Is it that many others who think this way about the Bible tend to be mainly "Reformed" and so emerging church thinkers shy away? Well, what better way to build common ground than to focus on this area of huge agreement? The Bible is not a handbook, not a rulebook, it's a Story. The Story  of God's redemption and we see the Hero of that story on every page. Sound "emergent"? It's not- it's Art (paraphrased), about the most non-emerging church guy you could hope to meet this side of Johnnie Mac.

At any rate, as I said, the second part of the talk was great- focusing on the methodology of preaching the Gospel and preaching Jesus in and through every story in Scripture… 
DavidgoliathFor instance, the story of David and Goliath? So not about how you can defeat the giants in your life (how many times have you heard that sermon???) 
It's about how you can't- but God can. And it's specifically about how He does so through the weakness of the substitute- the unlikely one who stood in Saul's place, who came in the name of the Lord and the power of the Spirit and defeated the enemy of the people of God. If you read that story and see yourself in David, you are reading i
t wrongly. You're not David- you are the cowering Israelites who face an undefeatable foe… 

But God is on the scene, sending One who can defeat whatever we face- and that's who David points us to- Jesus. The point of the story is not "Be like David." Youcan't… it's trust Jesus, the real and true David who wins the victory over death and sin.

The more I read of Scripture, the more I see that this is the way it's meant to be read- it all points to Jesus and in such amazingly literate ways as to boggle the mind. As Art said, the writers of Scripture were better writers than even they knew…

One of the best parts of Tuesday's visit to the Spurgeon Fellowship for me was talking to my old Greek professor, Dr. DeYoung. Deyoung
James DeYoung was nearly fired from Western for making that same point about the writers of Scripture in mid-90's in his book Beyond The Obvious
At that time, it was written into the teaching position of the school (which all faculty had to sign) that the literal, historical, grammatical, "authorial-intentical" method of reading Scripture meant that there is only 1 (and Dr DeYoung tells me the number "one" was written into the position) meaning of any and all texts.

Now, any first year Bible-College student who stumbles upon a Messianic Psalm (like Ps 22) knows better, and apparently it was okay to point out certain accepted examples (such as those messianic psalms and places where the NT made OT typology plain), but in suggesting that there was more meaning in Scripture beyond the obvious and that perhaps we should even read the NT the same way we read the OT…? (I'll talk more about what that looks like in a minute)

That got Dr DeYoung nearly banished.

But now the teaching position has changed, and Dr DeYoung is (somewhat!) vindicated by hearing Western's homiletic professor say that authorial intent matters, but there's more than one author to each text in the Bible- the human author AND the Holy Spirit and the human author may not have had a full understanding as to allof the meaning in what he or she was writing.

During the second half of the morning, I found myself sitting up in the balcony next to Dr DeYoung, and afterwards we had a great talk about one of my more recent kicks- not just seeing Jesus in the OT, but seeing the OT in the NT.

Moses_with_tabletsThis started for me when I was preaching through the book of Luke, and realized that much of it was structured to point back to, and in fact to recapitulate in a sense the Old Testament narrative.Jesus was re-doing much of what happened in the OT, but rather than failing as they did, He was succeeding. 

In other words, the idea that He was in the desert for 40 days becoming very hungry wasn't just an arbitrary happening. It's not just that 40 is the "magic" Scriptural number for "testing."

It was meant to point us back to both the Moses and the Israelites and Elijah and their times in the desert… And it was meant to show us that Jesus did what they wouldn't/couldn't, not only in His trust of His Father but in the resisting of temptation. The whole modern evangelical message of seeing those passages in the Gospels as mainly a 3 point sermon on "How to Avoid Temptation" so miss the point they make me want to bang my head against the wall- it's not about "how to avoid temptation… so be like Jesus!" It's about how we try and try and just can't- but Jesus can and did. Not that we should never look at a Gospel narrative and pick up things to emulate in Jesus (of course), but the point of this narrative is not simply example- it's a comparison/contrast between Christ and Moses/Israel and Elijah, and on a certain level between The Gospel and the Law/Prophets.  

ElijahravenThe Old Testament is a record of failure and the New a record of Jesus and His success where others had failed- His success and the success of the Gospel in bringing the life that the Law could not bring through obedience and the Prophets couldn't bring through their preaching.

Much of the Gospel narrative works this way- Why does Jesus feed 5,000 with 12 baskets left over? Neat party trick? No- Elisha did the same thing, but he fed only  a hundred or so. Jesus fed many times that and with 12 baskets (enough for all of Israel- all the people) left over. Jesus is the true and better Elisha.

Why appear on the Mount of Transfiguration with M
oses and Elijah? Because they are the ones who pointed the people to Him, and  He's constantly pointing us back to them… saying- "See what they failed to do? I'm now doing it. I'm the true and better Moses, the true and better Elijah."

Could keeping the Law bring righteousness? No.
Could war and killing all their enemies bring peace? No… 
and that right there has been a HUGE piece in helping me understand the OT- the point of all the violence in the OT is that IT DOESN'T WORK. It doesn't bring them peace. If you read the OT as anything but a record of failure that points us to the ultimate success of Jesus, you get to some odd places and find yourself trying to wrap your head around and defend some wild things.

Jesus comes and gives a new and better way to righteousness and peace…

TransfigurationThere are these three "peaks" in the Scriptural narrative- Moses and Joshua/the Law, Elijah and Elisha/ the Prophets and…

And here's where it gets interesting with Jesus. The Gospel narrative refers to John the Baptist as the "Elijah" who would precede the Messiah, so in a sense it's John and Jesus… but here's the interesting thing about the whole Moses/Joshua, Elijah/Elisha typology- the first is always better known, but the second, in a sense gets the job done. It's Joshua who leads the people into the Promised Land, it's Elisha with the double-portion of Elijah's spirit…

And in the NT narrative it's the Church in the book of Acts who does "greater works" than Jesus in the sense of taking the Gospel message beyond the borders of Israel to the whole world. So the picture has this dual hinge of John the Baptist and Jesus, Jesus being in that second place as the  one who really gets the job done, and then Jesus and the Church- with the Church in that spot.

And the "recapitulation" we see in the Gospels isn't only found there- it's in the book of Acts as well. 
For instance, Pentecost.
It's 50 days after Passover.  
Everyone thinks the people are drunk because the Holy Spirit has filled them. 
Peter steps up and preaches the Gospel 
3,000 believe and are given new life.

Cool story, eh? I especially love it when it's used to justify big churches, because that's totally the point :)
I kid, I kid…

Actually, the point is this- it's meant to point us back to Sinai, when:
50 days after Passover, 
Moses came down from the mountain and found everyone actually drunk. 
He gives them the Law, and…
3,000 of them die.

See? It's not just a story about how the Church was born. It's a story about the difference between the Gospel and the Law, between the Law/Moses who brings death, Jesus (who Moses told the people would come) who brings new life.

Did Luke see that when writing Acts? I think maybe he did, but I'm not sure. I think the Gospel writers saw a lot of the parallels and structured their narratives accordingly- but in the same way the authors of those Messianic Psalms didn't get all the import of everything they wrote, I have no trouble in seeing the same thing happening with the Gospel writers.

Does that mean it didn't happen the way they record it (with allowances for rearranging some of the parts to make specific points)? Not at all…

It's fascinating to me that more non-Christian scholars of Scripture see these things than Christian ones. I think it's because they aren't looking for "lessons for living" in the text, but approaching it as purely literature and so seeing some of the literary features Christians miss in their effort to make every part of the text about some kind of life application. Unfortunately, the conclusion most of those scholars draw is that the Gospel/Acts narratives MUST be fictional- nothing could fit together that well with the OT narrative.

I don't know about that…

You all heard OJ was recently re-arrested? For (allegedly) trying to "steal" back some items of his… at gunpoint. Of course you heard that…

What you may not have heard is that among the items he was trying to retrieve was a suit.

A suit he was apparently wearing the day he was declared "not guilty" way back when.

Ten felony charges, and possible life in prison, for trying to steal back the suit he wore when he was found "not guilty" for the crime everyone knows he committed.

Further, there's some dispute about the suit. A judge says the Goldmans (who have a $30 million judgment against OJ and get basically everything he makes) can't prove it's the suit and so collect. But apparently, OJ cut himself shaving on the day of the trial and there was a noticeable blood stain that could be linked back to OJ and used to prove it was, in fact, his suit.  

See, you couldn't make that stuff up.

So when someone says that the parallels and "coincidences" in Scripture prove it's fictional, I say- Yeah- and OJ is "not guilty."  :)

There's more to say on all this… Dr DeYoung and I got to talking about if/how this reading of Scripture applies to the Epistles… He thinks it does, but is not exactly sure how. As for me, I want to spend the next decade or so thinking about how this reading informs my understanding of the OT/Gospels and Acts. Maybe in 10 years, or 20… I'll be as smart as Dr DeYoung and able to see more in the NT letters that show that just as Moses, the Prophets and the authors of the Go
spels /Acts were better writers than even they knew, so were the authors of the Epistles.

But one hermeneutical paradigm shift at a time, yeah? 

Angry_god I hate the very premise of the "God of the OT vs the God of the NT" question- you know, the one that sets up within the question itself an unresolveable dichotomy between a God of violence (the OT) and a God of love and compassion (the NT). 

I hate it mostly because it gives credence to what, for many, had been a faith-destroying red herring. 
 
The truth is, there's only one God revealed in Scripture. The LORD, the maker of heaven and earth, the one whom both OT and NT reveal to be a forgiving God, gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love. 

BUT…

That there are pretty stark differences in how that God has dealt with humans throughout history is undeniable. WHY those differences exist is a vital question I think everyone should have some answer for. 

For a couple years, since I began thinking through this issue, I have explained it this way: The OT is a record of what doesn't work. It's God patiently allowing and even at times commanding His people to try all the ways of the people around them, one by one, all the while pointing towards Jesus. In the OT we have what doesn't  work- in Jesus we have what does- the Gospel. 

Think through your works you can be righteous? Okay- here are the rules. Let's see how you do with them.

Think through violence you can achieve peace? Think killing your enemies leads to having fewer enemies? Let's see how that works out. (We still haven't gotten this one…)

Think you need a king like all the other nations? Okay- let's give that a try. 

All the while, pointing them towards the One who would ultimately give them the righteousness, the peace and the security and hope they were looking for. 

Today, Greg Boyd had a great post that pushed the ball forward on this idea. I wish his blog took comments- I'd love to interact with him on this. 

I'll encourage you to read the whole thing- but the important bits for this conversation
are this:

Here’s a thought to start with. I think its very clear Jesus affirmed the divine inspiration of the Old Testament. Out of fidelity to Jesus, I feel compelled to accept this collection of ancient writings as divinely inspired. Yet, also out of fidelity to Jesus, I feel compelled to emphatically repudiate its violence.

What’s interesting is that Jesus himself repudiated the violence of the Old Testament — despite his belief that this collection of writings was inspired. Jesus taught, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also (Mt 5:38-39).

It‚Äôs true, as many scholars have argued, that most of the contrasts between what people had heard and what Jesus taught (‚Äùyou‚Äôve heard it said‚Ķ but I say‚Äú) do not repudiate Old Testament itself but Jewish interpretations that rose up around Old Testament teachings. But this is clearly not the case with this passage, for the ‚Äúeye for an eye‚Äù commanded is explicitly and repeatedly given in the Old Testament (e.g. Ex 21:24; Lev 24:19-20). In fact, this quid pro quo philosophy lies at the very heart of the law, especially its required violent punishments.

Most interestingly, in Deuteronomy Moses goes so far as to stress that the law must not be waved aside out of compassion. ‚ÄúShow no pity,‚Äù the text says, ‚Äú life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot‚Äù (Deut 19:21). Yet, Jesus not only commands people to ‚Äúshow pity,‚Äù he replaces the Old Testament quid pro quo ethic with his radical ethic of unconditional love.

For example, while the Old Testament allowed Israelites to hate their enemies and sometimes command them to slaughter them, Jesus forbid his disciples from ever hating or doing any harm to an enemy. Instead, he commanded people to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Mt 5:43-45). Luke includes the command to “do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you” and “pray for those who mistreat you” (Lk 6:27-28).

…I‚Äôll leave you with this teaser thought: Is it possible that some divinely inspired material is not supposed to reveal to us what God is like but what he is not like? Is it possible that some material is inspired precisely because God wants us to follow Jesus‚Äô example and repudiate it?

Abraham believed God told him to sacrifice his child, yet he trusted that God was not really like the bloodthirsty Canaanite god Molech and thus would not make him follow through with his request, even though he had no choice but to move forward in obedience. He trusted that God would supply the commanded sacrifice, if only at the last minute (Gen. 22:8).

I don't know that Abraham believed God would stop his sacrifice of Isaac- it seems that he more likely believed that God would raise him again afterwards. Perhaps Abraham didn't know going up the mountain that the LORD was not like the pagan god Molech. 

But he certainly knew it coming down. 

They (and we) may not have had the 50,000ft view that would allow them to see His motivation and strategy, no more than my 5 year old can understand some of the ways we feel compelled by our love for him to parent, occasionally allow to fail, and even punish. But just because it's hard to see doesn't mean it's not there.

I see all through the OT God contrasting Himself to pagan gods and inviting His people to discover for themselves that the ways of those pagan people do not work- do not get them where they need to go. And ultimately pointing them to Jesus. 

Anyway you slice it, that's a pretty loving God.

Hell!

bob —  July 6, 2009

Hell-11g.jpg I am just blown away by Keller's sermon on hell. Never heard better. Normally, I would just preach it myself, but this is so good, so well stated and so… right, that I wanted to share it in its original form. 

Those who "discard" hell are discarding a misunderstanding. 

And, if Keller (and Miroslav Volf) is right, are more responsible for the cycle of violence and vengeance in this world than they would care to admit. 

Wonder how that could be?